Muslims oppose ‘Swaminarayan’, demand ‘Pir Kamal’ for BRTS stop
Muslims oppose ‘Swaminarayan’, demand ‘Pir Kamal’ for BRTS stop
Ahmedabad, 29 December, 2009
Photos: DeshGujarat
A group of Muslims led by Congress leader Badaruddin Sheikh is agitating for renaming of BRTS bus-stand in Ahmedabad’s Shah Alam area.
The Muslims want to name a new BRTS bus-stand in their area as ‘Pir Kamal Mosque Bus-Stand’ replacing the existing name ‘Swaminarayan College Bus-Stand.’
After they tried to pelt stones on the glass-made BRTS bus-stand couple of days before, the local authority glued newspapers over the sign board: ‘Swaminarayan College Bus-Stand’, and completely concealed it. Therefore the bus-stand as of now is name-less, and Muslims have stopped their agitation.
The Muslims say that earlier there was an AMTS(local bus) bus-stand here, which was named as ‘Pir Kamal Mosque Bus-Stand’. Therefore new BRTS bus-stand that has come up nearby should also be named accordingly.
The authority however believes that this is new BRTS bus-stand, not belonging to AMTS and therefore there is no question of replacing the name. The authority also believes that the BRTS stop is likely to get more commuters from Swaminarayan College which is located nearby, therefore its name ‘Swaminarayan College Bus-Stand’ is appropriate and one should not succumb to agitation of few people who are politically motivated.
Danilimda-Shah Alam has 50-50% population of Hindus and Muslims. This area was earlier cornered, polluted and undeveloped part of the city that has now got a new life after inauguration of new BRTS rout passing from here connecting West Ahmedabad and Kankaria-Maninagar area.
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Simply…….Throw them into prison……….I know all this shit must he creature or useless congressi mind…..
Put all of them behind the bar and assign a toughest work till they repayment for any damaged done…..
When in India will people understand that political parties are using them for their own advantage? When in India will people realize that there are more important issues to be dealt with? When in India will people stop vandalizing and damaging properties for their legitimate or illegitimate demands? When in India will Muslims change their mentality and try to take care of major problems in their community rather than fighting for the name of a bus stand?
Call it a Pir Kamal Bus Stand or Swaminarayan College Bus Stand. What difference is it going to make in life of a commuter who is going to ride the bus and even life of anyone? Congress has been historically obsessed with names of Nehru and Gandhi dynasty. Moreover, they have used Muslims just as their vote banks till now. Why do the Muslims of India don’t ask Congress about what good they have done for them in these 60 years? And it is imperative that Muslims do self-assessment and ask themselves what they have done for their own community and for themselves in these years to improve?
The answer unfortunately is almost nothing. And when a Government tries to do something better, they come up with these non-sense trivial issues, protest, show agitation and vandalize.
Can’t we as Indians hope to see more mature, educated, understandable, accommodating and sane fellow Indians after 60 years of Independence? When would that day come when we see a better India?
I don’t want to make this issue Anti-Muslim. In fact, this is a broader issue. People in India show out their anger by damaging properties, stone pelting and burning down vehicles and shops. When someone gets killed in police retaliation, they would make a fuss about it but then why do you want to take the violent way always to get your demand fulfilled? I really get disappointed when I see people playing as pawns in hands of political parties and that is why I would write a same thing for MNS Goons beating up North Indians or people asking for separate Telengana and burning and vandalizing properties.
Grow up Indians. Stop fighting on Trivial issues. Fight for your legitimate rights and at the same time, fulfill your duties with honesty and sincerity.
Jai Hind
BY LOOKING AT CURRENT DEVELOMENT BY NARENDRI MODI. ANY ONE WHO HAS A PROBLEM WITH
DEVELOPMENT SPECIALLY GUJARATI CONGRESS PEOPLE. THEY HAVE NO WRIGHT TO STAY IN
GUJARAT STATE….GO TO BIHAR OR PAKISTAN ALONG WITH THE JUST YOUR ONLY HANDFULL OF
MUSLIM GROUP. AND LEAVE REST OF THE MUSLIM AND HINDUS ALONE. CONGRESS SHOULD KNOW
BY NOW THAT MUSLIM ARE NOT FOOL ANY MORE IN GUJARAT STATE. SO TRY YOUR LUCK IN
SOME OTHER STATE.
THIS IS JUST BEGINING,SEE WHAT HAPPEND IN FUTURE WHEN POPULATION BECOME EQUAL APROX IN 2051,INDIA,PAKISTAN,BANGLADESH COMBINED POPULATION ALMOST100CR MUSLIM,ALMOST 45%MUSLIM POP OF THE WORLD.WHAT A HORRIBLE SITUTION FOR HINDUS.TALMOST ALL THE NATURAL SOURCES CAPTURE BY THEM,EDUCATION EITHER FROM MISSIONARY OR FROM MADRESA,NO DIFFERENT WILL BE THERE BETWEEN INDIAN,PAKISTANI AND BANGLADESHI MUSLIM.
Dr. Parth Mehta, you are right… These people know that they have support of Congress leaders.
I am human first and Hindu second..If these people do not behave, just throw them in jail and if they desire just send them to worthless country Pakistan.
All educated and right minded indians are busy with cricket, movies, and building temples, and kathas… They will sleep and country is slipping in hands of Gundas…..
Sardar Patel kept India together and these Congress “GADDARAS” breaking country to devide and rule…..Sorry, no offense to any one but Naton is in trouble…..
Jay Hind…..
This goes to prove that these fanatic Muslims practice idolatry of the worst kind, they are basically a bunch of idol worshipers, for them the color and name and structural imposition is their religion.
Why can’t they live in Peace.
Having a separate names for AMTS and BRTS bus stand makes sense. This is also good for amity, because people will determine that place as Swaminarayan or Pir which means the one & same thing.
Jay Shree Raam!
DoctorSab,
Why you burn your blood here, these people will never change, At max modi has been or will successfull to convert 0.005 of these people towards nationalism, but remaining will be not change as usual.
Without any practical and credible reason, they simply oppose all the things forgeting the one simple fact that they are living in India not in Pakistan.
I simply cant understand why educated hindu congressmans are supporting them, why they forget that they are hindus. My only intention is to why to appease then simply because of voebank, why these educated congressman has double standards. At the home they hate muslims but in public life they appease them at max. Why cant they think for society and nation instead of money and power.
Send them to Papistan or Bdesh. They wanted there to fight West.
Somethings change over time, some will never change. Love for violence by growing section of Muslims will remain same.
Those of us still support Congress should understand we need Hindutva and Moditva to be in power to keep these goondas and jihadis in check.
BRTS should survey passengers over a few weeks and name the stop after the more frequent destination. They should not just bow to angry demands. Otherwise, that would breed more and more angry demands. And, I agree with Dharmesh – people who destroy public property should be fined and jailed – Muslims or not.
This is India, not Saudi Arabia. The day Saudi Arabia allows temples and has roads and bus-stops with indian names then come and ask for arabic names in India. Saudis and their followers have interest logic: Whatever is mine is mine, whatever is yours let’s share.
As long as Saudi arabia does not give room to Indian ideology and philosophy on their soil, their ideologies cannot expect anything much. Being fair has to work both ways.
જુઓ ભઈ, આનો મારી દ્રષ્ટિએ એક સામાન્ય અને સરળ ઉપાય છે :
આ આપણાં ઉચ્ચ અને ‘ સમાજ કલ્યાણી ‘ સદગૃહસ્થ રાજકારણી નેતા
જોગ એક અપીલ મુકો :
બોલો, તમારે આ બેમાંથી એક પસંદ કરવાનું છે :
તમારી પાર્ટીના મહાત્માઓ, જેવાકે , નહેરુચાચા , ઈન્દિરાજી ,
રાજીવજી , સોનિયાજી કે રાહુલજી માર્ગ એવા નામને
અથવા
‘પીર કમાલ મસ્જીદ માર્ગ ‘ એ નામને.
અને , આ તમારી પાર્ટીએ ,કેમ પસંદ કર્યું અને કેમ નાપસંદ કર્યું
એ બતાવવાનું રહેશે. આવા પ્રોગ્રેસ્સીવ રાજકારણીઓ આ BRTS
ને કેટલી ઝડપે ચાલવા દેશે ? કેમ એમને બાજુમાં આવેલું ઢોર બઝાર
ધ્યાને ના ચઢ્યું ?
i dont understand..why people are complaining…about this..why should they be thrown into jail ? this is democracy..as long as they are peacefull demonstration they should not be punished…if they do rioting then they should be thrown into jail…
people are just making a mountain out of a mole
There was Bus stop by AMTS call Pir Kamal in that case we should keep that name and not change to Swaminaryan etc. I hope VHP & Bajrang Dal co stay away from this. They always come up with BS name everywhere! But other side madam’s kangress is playing Muslim card so they should be stay away from this too. Best option what is known & popular in that area and give that name to bus stop.
Comment like sending them Pak or Bangladesh is not the solution, we like it or not but Muslims are part of India (And History too) and we need to accept it and need to work with them. Changing all names of landmark or vote for BJP which has recently supported Mr Murderer (Sibu Soren) will not help India’s progress.
More damage to India has been done by 500+ Hindu sitting in Parliament rather than 12+cores Muslim in this country.
.It is Wahabis ,Who want to enslave all Human beings to Arabs, under Islamic Flag. They want to
Kill Shias, who by Sunnis are not considered Muslims, Wahabis want to burn alive all other Muslims including Barelvis.
Stupid Hinudoos don’t understand the difference between Muslims! All Muslims are not Muslims.
Of course all Muslims are brain washed to Kill Kafurs.
Read A respectable News Paper.
PESHAWAR Karachi The Taliban claimed responsibility on Wednesday for the suicide attack on a Shia Ashura procession which killed 44 Shias in Karachi and injured 60 others Shias The terrorist organisation threatened more attacks over the next 10 days The claim was made by one of the country’s most wanted commanders of Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan TTP “We carried out the suicide bombing in Karachi ” Asmatullah Shaheen a top Salafi militant commander based in South Waziristan told news agencies by telephone from an undisclosed location “We will carry out more such attacks and also target government installations ” The government announced a Rs10 million bounty for Shaheen when it published a list last month of 19 most-wanted TTP warlords for whom it offered combined rewards equivalent to five million dollars Shaheen does not normally claim responsibility for attacks on behalf of the militants But he said that Monday’s bombing had been assigned to his group and so he was making the claim However investigators in Karachi are not ready to believe it was a suicide attack and have called in their NWFP counterparts to help them determine the nature and make of the explosives used in the bombing.
MIRANSHAH, Pakistan: Security forces raided a private hospital before dawn in a Taliban stronghold in South Waziristan on Thursday, killing four foreign militants and a woman, officials said. 27 others were also arrested.
The dead foreigners include two Arabs and a Bangladeshi.
Troops laid siege to the Hafiz Hospital in Wana, which belonged to a former MNA, at 2:00am (2100 GMT) sparking gun battles until around 7:00am (0200 GMT), local administration and intelligence officials said.
A security official said the raid followed a tip off that wounded Wahabi Arab militants were brought to the hospital from Sherwangi, a Taliban-dominated area where Pakistan has been pressing a major offensive.
“Commandos and security forces raided the hospital. Militants fired on the troops and in the gunfight, which lasted more than four hours, four militants and a woman were killed, while 27 salafis were arrested,” said the official.
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One day Shankarsingh will be forced to change his name to Samsuddin.
The 3 faces of Indian sub continent Muslims.
Muslim scholar, the wise liberal Sufi, and the fanatic Arab subservient Salafi Muslim.
This article is based on original different article by Nadeem F. Paracha in Featured Articles on 12 31st, 2009 Dawn Pakistan |
Roughly speaking, the political and social aspects of Islam in Pakistan can be seen as existing in and emerging from three distinct sets and clusters of thought. Nadeem says. These clusters represent the three variations of a political and social Islam that have evolved in this country: modern, popular and conservative.
The modern aspect of Islamic thought in Pakistan has its roots in the ‘Aligarh Movement’ – a nineteenth century effort launched by Sir Syed Ahmed Khan.
His analysis convinced him that the Muslims of India had failed to come to grips with the new zeitgeist emerging from the rise of western colonialism – a power driven by breakthroughs in modern scientific thought and economics, and pragmatic politics based on rational and dispassionate self-interest, all of which stemmed from the many doctrines and socio-political upheavals witnessed in the West during the ‘Age of Reason/Enlightenment.’
Ahmed strived to reinterpret the teachings of Islam so they could be freed from Arab thought Control with modern science and philosophy, helping the Indian educated Muslims to continue holding on to their religion but through a civilised and non Arab rational and enlightened view of life.
Though accused of heresy by fanatic, conservative Islamic scholars, Ahmed managed to lay the foundations of a modern college in Aligarh in an attempt to draw young Muslims away from the control of traditional madrassahs towards a place of learning where religious studies would be supplemented by the teaching of modern ‘secular subjects.’
The Aligarh College, that later became a university, soon spawned what came to be known as the ‘Aligarh generation’ – groups of young educated Muslims who would go on to lay the initial foundations of the Pakistan Movement and also become the intellectual engines behind the movement’s central ideological thrust.
Though the Aligarh generation was trained in western law, politics and science, it also held dear Ahmad’s notion that the Muslims of India were a separate cultural community; a thought that was molded into the Two Nation Theory by the All India Muslim League. Much has been contemplated about Jinnah’s ideological orientation, but it is rather clear that the new country was founded on an understanding of Islam that was steeped in Ahmed’s modern Islamic tradition.
The Aligarh tradition that was carried into the corridors of the state and governance of Pakistan pointed towards the new country as being a modern Muslim majority republic, as opposed to a theocratic fanatic Arab subservient Islamic backward State. In fact, the Pakistani state and governments between 1947 and 1977 used (in varying degrees) the above rationale to keep at bay the religious parties’ demand for Arab subservient theocratic state. But it is also true that the modern Aligarh Muslim mindset was largely an urban phenomenon, associated with the urban middle-class elite of the Punjab and Karachi.
The majority of Muslims in what became Pakistan remained ensconced in the region’s popular variations of Islam. The so-called liberal civilised Barelvi Islam that became the mainstay belief of a majority of Muslims in the subcontinent (from the nineteenth century onwards), was, as a movement, the reassuring enshrinement of the traditional hybrid-Sufism that prevailed among the Muslims due to the long periods of interaction between Sufi Islam and (forcifully converted Convert) Hinduism.
This liberal civilised hybrid-Sufism, or Barlevi Islam, became the folk religion of the rural peasants, the urban proletariat and the semi-urban petty-bourgeoisie of the country. It incorporated the anti-clergy elements of Sufism, the jurisprudence doctrines of the more flexible Sunni Hanafi fiqh and, as had been the traditional practice of popular folk Islam of the region, fused these with the concept of overt religious reverence of divine concepts and people, and the accommodating forms of worship found in various shades of Hinduism.
The result was an Indian/Pakistani Muslim polity repulsed by the dogma of puritanical strains of the religion, open to the idea of modern reinterpretation of Islamic law, permissive in its sociology, and largely non-political in essence. At the same time, Barlevi Islam is criticised for being willingly embroiled in superstition and doctrinal ‘innovations.’
Though being populist and agrarian in its world view, Barlevi Islam did not negatively react to Ahmed’s modern Islamic reform. What’s more, it was the constant failure of the political exponents of puritanical Islamic thought to penetrate the thick veneer of Barlevi Islam surrounding the rural and urban masses of Pakistan that in turn facilitated the moderate Aligarh Muslim thought and tradition within the Pakistani state to continue deflecting theocratic maneuvers in the country’s overall political polity.
As various forms of Ahmed’s modern and rational Islamic notions continued to dictate the Pakistani state’s (albeit anti-pluralistic) politics, the masses-oriented make-up of Barlevi Islam became the chosen venue of populist politics in Pakistan.
The left-leaning Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) became the first Pakistani political party to set the tone of its manifesto and rhetoric according to the populist imagery of Barlevi Islam, in the process managing to attract the urban working classes and the rural peasantry towards its socialist program. Consequently, not only did the PPP chairman, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, became one of the first major Pakistani political figures to start being seen indulging in rituals associated with Barlevi Islam (such as visiting Sufi shrines), PPP rallies themselves started radiating an aura of the colourful and Islam prohibited musical activity found outside many Sufi shrines of the region (such as the dhamal).
The 1970s in Pakistan thus became an era of populist extroversion. With Barlevi Islam adopted as a populist political expression by the ruling PPP. This saw a further hybridisation of Barlevi Islam. This form of expression eventually became the cultural and religious connect between the country’s secular political parties, the working classes and the peasants.
However, as the popular variation of Islam in Pakistan peaked in the 1970s, the modern variation (tied to the Aligarh thought) started to erode. Though the popular variation remained very much the focus of the populist Z A. Bhutto regime, things started to change at state level when after the 1971 East Pakistan debacle, a move was seen afoot in the army towards conservative (and fully Arab subservient elitist) variations of Islam, especially those advocated by renowned Islamic scholar and Jamaat-i-Islami (JI) chief, Abul Ala Maududi.
The JI was an early advocate of what became to be known as General Zia Ul Huq’s Arab subservience Political Islam – a modern political theory that forwards the ‘historical’ and theological arguments for an evolutionary instatement of an Arab thought and control dominated Islamic state (or a modern-day dictetorial caliphate) run on the dictates of the Shariah as an alternative to the capitalist-democratic system and socialism/communism.
Political Islam first emerged as an opponent of secular/socialist Muslim nationalism in the 1950s and 1960s. After Egypt, Syria and Jordan’s defeat at the hands of Israel in 1967, secular Muslim nationalism started to give way to Political Islam.Wahabis were to take advantage of this movement.
Since the theological aspects of Wahabi Political Islam were opposed to the more populist strains of the faith (such as Barlevi Islam), the JI in Pakistan was eventually successful in converting the urban middle-classes to its cause after these classes stopped resonating with the modern reformist variations of Islam in Pakistan. Thus, the urban bourgeoisie and the petty-bourgeoisie became the main players against the populist Bhutto regime during the 1976 PNA movement (led by the JI).
It must be noted that Jamate Islamias in 76 countries has signed away their freedom of thought and freedom to an Arab Wahabi supramacist organisation in Saudi Arabia.
But it wasn’t until the arrival of the Ziaul Haq dictatorship and the anti-Soviet ‘Afghan Jihad’ that Political Islam managed to find state approval. Furthermore, as both the US 2 Billion dollars and Saudi Arabia 2 Billion dollars and Chinese 1.2 Billion dollars pumped aid so that Zia could construct an effective jihad against the Soviet Army,India in Afghanistan and Kashmir with Salafism the more aggressive and puritanical strains of Islam (such as the Deobandi and Wahahbi) too began finding official sanction.
Conscious of the hold Barlevi Islam had in Pakistan, the Zia regime also attempted to penetrate and regulate and sabotage Sindh and Punjab’s shrine culture, trying to align Barlevi thought with the clergy and jihad-heavy strains of conservative Islam that he was advocating.
He had secretly vowed to Extinguish Sufism, Shia , Barelvi and Ahmadia, Aga Khani Islam
The results were devastating. The corruption emerging from the large amounts of foreign financial aid and Zia ul Huqs state patronage Political Wahabi Islam was able to enjoy in Pakistan during the Afghan jihad, steadily clipped away the intellectual aspects of the theory, and by 1989 (at the end of the Afghan war), Political Islam had become an empty shell in the hands of various Pakistani ISI intelligence agencies who then filled this shell up with what would eventually surface as sheer fanaticism in the shape of sectarian organisations hating liberal Barelvi, shias, Ahmedias and Sufis and ISI evolved phenomenon like the Taliban.
This fanaticism is now not only the militant mainstay of anti-intellectual and fanatic Islamist organisations, but, as a rude social discourse, it is being attracting a large number of the urban middle-classes as well who now seem completely detached from their early Indian convert Hindu moorings towards the modern variations of extreme Arab subservient Salafi Islam, and as well as from the faith’s more populist base.
Political Islam suffered from its overindulgence in an unpopular and puritanical theological feast that came attached with the patronage it got from backward 13th centuary conservative Muslim monarchies and dictatorships. By the early 1990s, it was as good as dead due to the many failures it faced to transform Muslim countries into living Arab thought colonised Islamic states.
However, it regenerated itself as a far more brutal, literalist and anti-intellectual fascist battle cry (in the shape of ‘Islamism’), which has not only been able to find support among the most desperate sections of the Pakistani society, but, unfortunately, also in the seemingly intellectually bankrupt edifice of urban middle-class Pakistan.
Nadeem F. Paracha is a cultural critic and senior columnist for Dawn Newspaper and Dawn.com.
The views expressed by this blogger and in the following reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of the Dawn Media Group.
I think we should change the name of India and should call it Muslimastan, so that we are the best secular country in the world, and whoever says Bharat, Bharatvarsha, Hindustan etc should be labelled communal and should be hanged, and in fact we should have our governance from Mecca and medina and should abolish Delhi as our capital.
Ammen
Mr Mamud Baig
Why such a long post? What your post has to do anything with one Bus stop in Ahmedabad? It is Mkt from RSS or VHP? I am sick and tired of listing this nonsense from my child hood, always thought BJP-RSS-VHP will get Ram mandir abolish Article 370…. and what not.
Today BJP out side Gujarat can not win even College election. In KN BJP fight with each other, In zarkhand support sibu…and always dream for Delhi while Sing is King & co enjoy from last 6 years in Center. Rather than worry about Pakistan and Islam why dont you write something about our BJP.
what don’t give the number to this bus stand instead the name. let local people recognize by the number.
or just name rajiv bus stand or neharu bas stand or indira bus stand. you can also give rajiv1 , rajiv2 , rahul 1 ,rahul2,…. indira1,indira2 .. to all brts bus stop. in this case congress will not do same thing again.
THIS IS VERY WRONG WAY BY MUSLIMS….. SEND them(muslims) to Pakistan or Bdesh. They wanted there to fight West.